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4Life
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posted May 10, 2006 08:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 4Life     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OK I know this has been posted before.

BUT I have a special case in the barn. They have Chronic Mud Fever, nothing I do will get rid of it and let me say that I have tried everything; From not picking the scabs off and putting and anti bacterial on it to picking the scabs off and using an antibacterial. I have used MANY creams, potions, antibiotics, clipping the hair away and the area before putting any cream or liquid on it is completely dry. I am at the point where I want to call Guelph and see what they can do.

Anyone else have any ideas before I do that??

Please either post here or email me.
forarielle@hotmail.com

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Maverick
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posted May 10, 2006 09:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Maverick     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lots of those methods work. Pick one and do it twice or three times a day for 2 weeks. Diligence will clear this up AND getting rid of the cause-ie wet stall/paddock conditions.

Some hard to treat cases require penicillin to clear it up. If it's still there, consult your vet and get an antibiotic.

Good luck!!

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4Life
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posted May 10, 2006 09:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 4Life     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have done everything you said so far and still nothing. This is why I posted here. I clean the affected area ALL the time. 2 -3 times a day now for 3 weeks and if anything it has become worse. The only other thing is the Penicillin. I have been speaking with my Vet and he always gives me the same treatment remedies and they do NOTHING. That is why I want to contact Guelph University.

So any other ideas are welcomed.

Thanks Maverick I hope this clears up soon. I cannot ride this horse at all because of it.

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Maverick
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posted May 10, 2006 09:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Maverick     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was in the same boat except my horse's mud fever turned into cracked heels. every walking step re-opened the wound. And yes, he was lame because of it.

I scrubbed with a hard brush to get the gunk off. Then dried it with paper towels and then slopped on furacin. That is what worked for me. I also did not turn him out-gave him a haynet instead. It was summer and buggy and he didn't mind staying in.

I am not sure that Guelph would help. Did your vet give you special formula? The penicillin should work right away. Any pics to show us how bad it is?

What if it's not mud fever and something else. The show horses that used to get sand on their legs from showing sometime developed this 'thing' on their lower legs. Its name escapes me right now. We treated effected areas with animalintex pads overnight and it cleared up nicely in a week.

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4Life
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posted May 10, 2006 10:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 4Life     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I will take pictures and post them. As for the keeping him in I cannot as he gets very mad and slams his body against the walls and intern hurts his shoulder. Plus his paddock is not wet. Well one area is but he HATES water and does not go near it.

He gets mud Fever every year around the same time, but this year it is CRAZY. Maybe it has turned into something else. I honestly never thought about that. I was going to call my vet again to get him to come and look at it but I feel that he will not make any difference at all. I have looked it up on the internet as well and still the same old thing and none of it seems to work.

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3XChestnut
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posted May 10, 2006 10:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 3XChestnut     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I wonder what your boy has. There are two very similar types of ailments that tend to be called mud fever. One is bacterial, the other fungal.

Until last November I had only ever dealt with the bacterial one.

Then bratboy got the fungus. I cleaned and zinced and scrubbed and so on diligently for six weeks with no progress - it just got worse. But I did notice that it was different from what I'd seen in the past and my vet recognized it as fungal from my description. He gave me Panalog ointment and had me wipe the area with alcohol, then apply the Panalog, rubbing small amounts well into the scabs (and NOT picking the scabs off unless they were falling off ). I was seing improvements in two days.

I had to wash his leg to get the arena dirt off before treatment and had gotten the fungus down to two small (1/4") scabs when I ran out of ointment. By the time I got more it had started to expand again, but within two days after getting mor ointment was shrinking nicely.

Then one day his skin turned black in patches and the next day all the black patches had the fungal scabs covering them.

I consulted the vet and he examined the horse. The daily washing had dried out the skin so much that it created wonderful new footholds for the fungus. Treatment was no washing or treatment for a week. I just applied vaseline every day after brushing any dirt off as best I could. This soothed the skin, allowing it to heal. After that I washed it once a week, just brushing the dirt off the other days. Treatment was daily and consisted of the alcohol wipe, ointment, and vaseline smoothed over top.

We're down to a couple of very small scabs again. They get very dry from the track and sand ring so I put vaseline on before riding to help soften them up, and scratch off any scabs that will come off easily before applying the treatment. I still only wash about once (maybe twice) a week and make sure to use the vaseline afterwards.


If you are washing 2-3 times a day and seeing it get worse, I wonder if his skin has dried out the way bratboy's did.

If it is the fungus you need an antifungal as the anti bacterial won't help. Panalog is an ointment for dogs (ear fungus) but it sure worked on brat's skin fungus. The second lot of ointment was a different brand but described as a similar triple strength anti-fungal ointment.


Bratboy's fungus (after weeks of washing and zinc ointment) looked like thin soft off-white scabs, and they were almost impossible to get off. When left alone they turned black (and I do mean BLACK) and got thick, then cracked but never oozed any serum.

The bacterial scabs I've dealt with are thick, reddish brown, crack and ooze a translucent orangey serum that turns into more scabs when it dries.

Sorry for the novel - I hope some of it helps. Mud fever sucks

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4Life
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posted May 10, 2006 11:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 4Life     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
WOW yes that was a Novel but it was VERY much appreciated. That does help.

His scabs are brown black and his skin is definitely not dry. I was going to go to shoppers and try the Nizoral shampoo.

When I clean it 2, 3 times a day, I do not always wash it. I brush off the dirt and apply more ointment.

But maybe I should bug my Vet more and tell him to do something about it as my poor horse has to deal with the re-opening wounds.

Thank you for you help. Hopefully this will clear up soon as I would love to ride him again soon.

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Flutter
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posted May 10, 2006 11:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Flutter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Have you tried Furacin? I believe it is antibacterial and antifungal...

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4Life
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posted May 10, 2006 11:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 4Life     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes and it did nothing for my guy, unfortunately. I think he needs something strong

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Maverick
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posted May 10, 2006 01:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Maverick     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Have you tried Special formula?

If not, go with penicillin!

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4Life
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posted May 10, 2006 01:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 4Life     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My Vet game me some special formual but again it really did not do anything. I think that i will put a call into my vet and try the Penicillin

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Snazzy
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posted May 10, 2006 02:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Snazzy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Does the leg stock up that has the mud fever??? If so use a high percentage iodine and see what happens;'

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Barncat
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posted May 10, 2006 02:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Barncat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My suggestion would be to have your vet out to take a sample of the scabs (or whatever is necessary) and have a culture done on it. You will find out EXACTLY what you are dealing with and the SPECIFIC treatment for it! Otherwise, you are just "shooting in the dark" and your horse is suffering!

(Sorry if I sound a little cranky, but it can be extremely difficult to get a correct "diagnoses" from a bulletin board!)

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Lianne
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posted May 10, 2006 02:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lianne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My filly had chronic mud fever, but it was only when a new vet decided it might be fungal and gave me a new treatment regimen that it started to clear up and STAY cleared - the treatment was to first soften the scabs and pick them off, whether with vaseline, baby oil, whatever. Then dissolve 6-8 white lotion tablets in warm water. Clean the foot off with a cloth soaked in that water, then dry off it off thoroughly. Then take a small sponge and pour diluted IMAVEROL (anti-fungal, the key to clearing this up!) on the sponge and scrub the scabby areas, getting the Imaverol deep into the skin. Simply patting the area won't cut it. Then apply the special cream prescribed by the vet to cover it all up.

The most important element was the Imaverol - it worked wonders. Ask your vet about it. Hope this helped!

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4Life
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posted May 10, 2006 02:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 4Life     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Everyone. This is great with all the responses. I will take down all your ideas and talk to my vet.

As for Iodine, well he is allergic to it; he swells up anytime anything is used with iodine in it.

Thanks again everyone. I am sure that something will work.

And Barncat you did not sound cranky at all. You are just offering your help to me. Thanks

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OkeeDokee
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posted May 10, 2006 05:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for OkeeDokee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
NOTE: my horse was diagnosed with MUD FEVER, not the fungal(black) type...for anyone out there battling regular MUD FEVER with no resolve...this worked and so easy to manage.

Website: Dr. Val Harris DVM http://www2.silverstar.com/scratchesformula/
email: Scratches@silverstar.com

The only solution that helped my mare with 9 month old Chronic Mud Fever, under veterinary supervision.

I have sent a full email with description of events to your home email address. Here is an excerpt of that email describing how it worked for me and my mare. Good luck. Mud Fever is exhausting!!

In desperation, I emailed Dr. Harris for her spray lotion/ointment recipe which was applied to my mare's leg on March 22/05.
In summary, here's what the medication did in exactly 8 days- after 9 months of veterinary standard practice with no resolve.

1. Scrubbed her leg down with a betadine/iodine anitbacterial scrub, whatever scabs came off with it so be it, but I did
not vigoursly attemp to remove scabs.
2. Then I towel dried as well as one can, and clipped away as much hair as I could.
(My mare was in a very agitated state with her sensitive skin by now from 9 months of infection, scrubbing etc.)
3. At this point, I DID NOT WET HER LEG ANYMORE- only sprayed on the ointment TWICE DAILY, in AM and PM and LEFT ALONE!
(I used one of those pump up bottles you can buy at Home Hardware in the food section, to create spray under pressure- it works great!)
Just wrap the plastic bottle in black duct tape so light doesn't breakdown the compound in the solution.
(Note, whenever we got rainfall, and it got a bit muddy during the course of treatment, in those times, I just let the mud dry off naturally,
brushing it away with my hand GENTLY, then apply the lotion)

At first I was concerned because she was kicking out as if it was stinging her. I emailed Dr. Harris and she responded encouraging me to even start with a more dilute batch until her leg cleared up a bit because her skin was so irritated and so terribly sore!!! But I chose to go ahead and endure an initial bit of sting for a good cause, and used the standard strength as per original instructions, and then 8 days later on March 29/05 and I COULD NOT BELIEVE MY EYES- the mud fever was GONE!
ie: No active oozing scabs/sores, healthy scab now coming off, pink hair underneath, hair has to start growing in now.

One thing I have learned, many say to keep softening and picking the scabs off, but to do that you have to moisten the skin, and I think this really only prolongs healing- in such chronic conditions of mud fever, the spray ointment goes on quickly, and I DID NOT moisten the leg at any time, I washed it only once the first time before I started applying the solution, then LEFT IT ALONE! -regardless of the dirt- (I just gently brushed away with my hands, because I had clipped her as much as possible, then sprayed on the ointment once in the AM and once in the PM for 8 days. having said that, you need to keep your horse in a relatively DRY location, not wet mud!

The oozing stopped, good type scab healing commenced, -Leave it on! and on day 8, the healthy scab is naturally dropping off as I am just starting to brush her leg.

IT REALLY WORKED! and the bonus was it cost me a total of $25 -the cost of patented recipe plus $14.00 CAN in supplies I bought (2 ingredients that you can buy at any local feed, co-op store) that will give me many more applications worth which I can make up fresh-as needed for future applications.

UPDATE: May 2006: no reoccurring mud fever to date. I do spray on ointment in early March during wet season as a precaution.

Good luck!

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Donigal
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posted May 10, 2006 10:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Donigal     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OkeeDokee: I was wondering if that scrathes formula is pink in colour? If so, I some and it does work great. I have also used Ottomax ( for dogs ears) it also works wonders but VERY expensive $30.00 tube.:0

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4Life
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posted May 11, 2006 09:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 4Life     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Donigal:
OkeeDokee: I was wondering if that scrathes formula is pink in colour? If so, I some and it does work great.

Where did you get your Formula from? Did you get it from the site that was recommended by OkeeDokee??

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littlecreek
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posted May 11, 2006 02:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for littlecreek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I had a tough case with Harry the Horse and the combination that worked best was using Virkon which is available in most feed stores. Its a powder you mix up in water, in your case I'd use boiled water- about 1 package to about 3.8 l of water. Spray it on and rub in. It doesn't sting or discolour. Let it dry a bit and then rub in some Special Formula. I'd also consider the penicillin injections for about 5 days. That clears up any of the systemic things. Good luck, hopefully you'll get this resolved soon.

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Jazzy_Lady
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posted May 11, 2006 03:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jazzy_Lady     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dr. Melissa McKee has her own medication. It is pink in colour and works a charm. My old horse had mud fever that NOTHING would help. That stuff had it gone for good in days.

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4Life
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posted May 11, 2006 03:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 4Life     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Jazzy_Lady:
Dr. Melissa McKee has her own medication. It is pink in colour and works a charm. My old horse had mud fever that NOTHING would help. That stuff had it gone for good in days.

Do you have her contact info? Or is it a make your own? or buy it from her?

forarielle@hotmail.com

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Maverick
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posted May 11, 2006 03:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Maverick     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
MCKEE-POWNALL EQUINE SERVICES http://mpequine.com/

PO Box 459 Rockwood Ontario Canada N0B 2K0 (519) 856-8225 Toll Free (866) 856-3260 Fax (519) 856-8277

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4Life
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posted May 11, 2006 04:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 4Life     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
THANK YOU AND SHE IS CLOSE

I have put a call into her so that I can speak eith her directly.

THANK YOU to all of you. I am waiting for the other Vet Dr.Harris to contact me and as well as Dr. Mckee.

Everyone has been so helpful to me. I will post forsure letting everyone know how it works out.

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posted May 11, 2006 05:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Donigal     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by 4Life:
Where did you get your Formula from? Did you get it from the site that was recommended by OkeeDokee??


I got it from a friend. I will find out where she got it, i need to get more just to keep on hand!

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posted May 12, 2006 07:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Izzy94     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I second the panalog (ear cream my vet said it has a steriod in it also). It worked in about three to four days on my mare when nothing else worked. When I put it on I did nothing else only applied it! No cleaning or scrubing. I found out about using it from a trainer who swears by it and has used it on many many many a horse over the years. (also good for ear scum)

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posted May 13, 2006 08:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Pineridge     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi 4LIFE,
I would also recommend the Panalog, I have seen good results and the horses don't seem to mind it being applied.
Or you could try Fungasol, (you can buy this at Bahrs) it is a vasiline based ointment that has tee tree oil in it. It softens and protects.

Good luck....and keep us updated on your progress.

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posted May 15, 2006 12:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for transfusions     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've been using a product called Hibitane for the mud fever on my horse's hind legs. It's been five days and they're almost back to normal.

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4Life
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posted May 15, 2006 08:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 4Life     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by transfusions:
I've been using a product called Hibitane for the mud fever on my horse's hind legs. It's been five days and they're almost back to normal.

That works on all other horses EXCEPT of course mine.

But I bought some products over the weekend that some of you recommended and I will let you know if it works. Cross your fingers for my poor guy, it is really sore.


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posted May 15, 2006 01:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Country     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mud fever is a fungus; it likes to grow in wet, warm places. Scrubbing and washing the infected area is just promoting more and more growth. The best treatment is to keep the affected area DRY!!! If you notice the mud fever starting and paddocks are wet and muddy, keep the horses out of the paddock until it dries up. A cortisone cream with a zinc base is a great way to clear it up. Apply daily, don't wash it off, wipe off with a towel and apply more.

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My mare had the bacterial form for almost 8 months. I tried everything from 120 dollar cream from the vet which helped for the most part but did not make it go away. Then I tried the tea tree oil, ostrich oil mix for the last few areas. I won't repeat myself as i talked about this in another post just do a search on Ostrich oil. It worked to get rid of the last of it...thank gosh.

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Someone at the barn suggested using Abrosbine Jr. You get it at Shoppers, becuase its for athletes foot. I had tried a few other methods with no result, but within a couple of days of putting on the absorbine jr her mud fever was gone! I highly reccomend it!

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posted May 29, 2006 11:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for coyote ugly     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The treatment I used was to wash area with excalibur and leave on a few minutes to loosen scabs. Rinse off and shampoo with head & shoulders shampoo. Let hair dry and apply hibitane overnite in stall. Turn out next day and bring in, shampoo again, let dry, and apply Gold Bond powder. For some reason it worked for me, however, in Florida where "Mud Fever, or Scratches" is prevalent, they are prescribed "SA Granules" from the vet and it works great given daily in their feed.

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posted May 29, 2006 11:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Blue Chip     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I hear your frustration! I am going through a bout of it myself. We have the fungal and our vet has prescribed Panalog.

An easy way to get the scabs off without irritating the horse/foot is a furacin sweat at night. All the scabs will be gone by morning and you are left with fresh pink skin! I am working with the Panalog at the moment ... wish us luck! And, luck to you too of course.

Edited to add: Special Formula is in a syringe like wormer and can be purchased through your vet or vet supply. It is a great product for a variety of uses. Again, check with your vet.

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I recently stumbled across a "MUD FEVER REMEDY"`on ebay. It is made by a company called From the Horses Mouth and is entirely natural and inexpensive. Having tried everything else I tried this and amazingly it worked. So that is certainly worth a try. They make other stuff. here is a link if your interested in looking. Al http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/MUD-FEVER-REMEDY-500ML-100-Natural_W0QQitemZ290151446674QQihZ019QQcategoryZ90863QQcmdZViewItem

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posted August 21, 2007 11:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for live2ride     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Beleive it or not, scrub with betadine dry real well and get zinc from the baby section of your drug store, but make sure it has the higher percentage of zinc. My horse's leg would swell up to her stifle and in just a few days gone.

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posted August 21, 2007 11:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for live2ride     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Beleive it or not, scrub with betadine dry real well and get zinc from the baby section of your drug store, but make sure it has the higher percentage of zinc. My horse's leg would swell up to her stifle and in just a few days gone.

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Try putting Corona Ointmint on it. Works Charms. If that doesn't work go to Greenhawk and pick up some Vitamin E Cream.

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